Mahogany Misfit -
Monday, October 13, 2008 at 10:21PM -
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Email Article Remember this post from a few months ago? Well I apologize for never following up here but let me give a brief overview of what's occurred since I last discussed this.
Taking the advice of many of you, I decided to go the direct route and email my friend to end our friendship in a candid, honest way. This is what I sent her:
I don't want you to think I'm ignoring you. I care a lot
about you and the kids. In fact, I want to honor our friendship by
being honest with you right now.
After our last conversation about the house and you living with J, something shifted within me.
I stopped relating to you. Like completely and totally.
I came to the realization that it is pretty much impossible to have a
productive, positive friendship with someone you don't understand and
constantly worry about. I didn't want you to feel belittled any further
since that wasn't my intention in the first place, so I just kind of
left things alone.
I want to tell you now, that I feel if you go forward with your
original plans and things fall apart down the road, I won't be able to
support you.
Just the NOTION of you struggling with the house and/or calling me
sobbing for the 50th time about J's insensitive, ABUSIVE, cowardly
behavior after you've let him move in with you makes me want to scream.
Looking at this situation from the outside in is very frustrating and
upsetting because I care so much about you and what happens to you and
your children. J being a full time member of that household will be a
catastrophe of epidemic proportions and the fact that you don't seem to
realize it and are in denial about it, makes me feel even more
alienated from you.
You do not value yourself enough nor do you hold the people in
your life to a high enough standard. It pains me immensely to witness
this.
You've been through so much during the 8 years I've known you...and
these last few years have been especially difficult and intense.
I have to be honest, lately when I hang up the phone after talking
to you, I am positively exhausted and often more depressed than before
we spoke. Listening to you breakdown and stress out is hard on me
believe it or not. I go through such a range of emotions listening to
you...anger at what you're angry about, sadness at what you're sad
about, empathetic to everything that drags you down...it's incredibly
taxing. Maybe it's because I have depression issues of my own. I don't
know. I just know that I have spent a lot of time lending you my ear,
and sympathizing with everything that troubles you, much of it being
issues I can't relate to and feel could have been easily avoided had you made better choices. Our
friendship is very one-sided a lot of the time.
I hate feeling like I'm lecturing you but I don't think either of us
can deny that your choices...past and present...contribute to a great
deal of the misery you currently endure. So to see you continue to make
choices that could potentially be very damaging to you and your children is intolerable
for me at this point.
Anytime I've given you advice and you chose not to take it, I never
judged you or came back and said "I told you so." Not once. However,
right now, I'm seriously doubting my ability to continue holding back
that way. I'm doubting my ability to support you through a potential
crisis with this house and I'm most definitely doubting my ability to
support you during the next J related crisis. I just know I'm not
going to be able to do it. And I suspect you, like most people,
want friends who can support you through things like this, which is why
I'm being honest with you about my limits. You deserve to know in clear
and plain terms what they are.
I don't WANT our friendship to end but I also don't really know how it
can continue with me feeling so far removed from you and the decisions
you make...you have enough on your plate, you don't need too add to it
a friend who is incapable of supporting you, and I truly feel as if
I'll be incapable once these changes you're planning take place.
I've thought about this a lot over the past few weeks and how to say
these things to you. I hope I've been able to effectively convey the
concern, compassion, and love I have for you and I hope you can try to
see things from where I stand.
So as you can see, I tried to be candid but respectful here. Did I accomplish that? I thought I had.
She thought otherwise.
This is the response I got in return:
Well good to know.
I have not always like nor supported things you have done but I would never have ended our relationship over it.
But you are obviously allowed to do so.
What a shame.
Hope you have a great life.
Adios!
Yep, just as some of you thought, I am the villain here for "abandoning" her. Classic victim behavior from a classic victim. I am so fucking over it. From me to her:
This email of yours, in response to my sincere, lengthy one in which I
did my best to express my concern and love, really magnifies the
colossal differences between the two of us.
This completely confirms for me that we are severely incompatible as friends at this point.
In any case, I have no doubt that my life holds great things, thank you for your well wishes.
Take Care
Thought it was over, but NOPE!
How would you like me to respond? You're basically telling me that you
are throwing away our friendship because you don't agree with certain
things in my life.
Do I take drugs? No. Do I neglect my kids? No. Am I violent towards others or my children? No.
I'm confirming that you had the right to do what you did. It is just not something that I would have done to any of my friends.
But since you once again referred to my children as "poor choices" then maybe you are right...we are not suitable as friends.
Because that hurt me more than you will every know and personally I can't get past that.
And kids or no kids....challenges or no challenges....obstacles or no obstacles life holds great things for me too.
After all that I have been through I have overcome it all and I am extremely proud of myself.
OK so now the barometer for being a good parent is not beating or neglecting your kids and staying off crack? WHAT? This bitch loves to set the bar low doesn't she?!
Next response:
This notion of me referring to your children as poor choices is
inaccurate. I've never said that. The timing of you having them was shitty and having two with J -ugh that can all be construed as being poor
choices. I'm not just limiting this to you but anyone who has a kid,
much less three kids while financially unstable and in an unstable
relationship is making a few poor choices. Poor choices aren't a
crime, everyone makes them! The key is to learn from them and not
repeat them right? Well sadly, There is NO EVIDENCE YOU HAVE LEARNED ANYTHING.
Things weren't exactly going smoothly when it was just you and (name of her first child redacted)
were they? Then (name of her second child redacted) came along and again, things were not going
smoothly right? As I recall, life was very tough for you. Then, knowing
what you did about J, his poor financial situation, his HORRIBLE
treatment of you, and his crappy fathering skills, you had yet another
child with him. And NOW you are considering sharing a home with this
man, FULL TIME. In addition to that, it was only a few months ago that
you called me in tears telling me you had almost NO FOOD in your
cabinets...and now you think you're capable of purchasing a home?
Seriously, don't be so sure that you'd NEVER reconsider a friendship
with someone who you witnessed making damaging decisions over and over
again for almost a decade.
I'm sorry for holding a mirror up to your life because obviously, by your responses, you do not like what you see.
And that makes two of us.
Christ on a rubber cross, I get so mad at this whole fucking situation. Here she goes:
We don't have to keep going back and fourth with this.
I actually started to write back about all the things that have made me
frustrated with you all these years, but I have decided that its just
not worth it.
Hurting you isn't worth it.
No way bitch, we ARE going back and forth now. Fuck it.
Yeah, I agree. Sending me an email full of the things about me that
have frustrated you isn't worth it. Because I haven't called you dozens
of times sobbing my face off about a guy who abuses me emotionally and
regularly breaks my spirit while listening you to advise me to rid
myself of him. I haven't made damaging decisions that have set me back
in life and then expected you to support me through them (often the
same ones repeatedly) without getting a little frustrated. Also, I'm
pretty confident you haven't spent hours worrying about my well-being
after a disturbing conversation in which I described my being abused,
yelled at, and degraded by the man in my life. You haven't told me
countless times to honor myself by cutting this guy off, only to see me
back in the same situation with him a week later.
My life isn't a big, self created mess.
So yes, since there aren't any examples comparable to this that you can bring forth, I agree with you that it ISN'T worth it.
I also agree that it's pointless to keep emailing each other back and forth so this will be my last to you...
IT felt SO GOOD to let all of that out, you have NO IDEA.
So I ended it there and that was that. July was our last correspondence.
So imagine my surprise last night when I got a text message from her...
"I just wanted to say that I hope all is well and that I miss you. You're in my thoughts."
I didn't answer.
Should I bother?








Mahogany Misfit -
Monday, October 13, 2008 at 10:21PM -
17 said something... - filed under
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Wow...just wow!
I can't believe that she is putting all her anger over her life and blaming it on your ending the friendship...lol.
Don't bother responding, it's just going to open the door for more drama. Maybe in a few years, when you hear she has that asshole out of her life.
I had to cut a friend out like that....and didn't speak to her for 2 years, until she had made better choices, gotten in school and gotten over the stupid man she was with.
You just have to keep positive relationships in your life. Don't allow emotional leeches to suck up your good vibes. Good luck!
Yeah wow.... I wouldn't bother responding... its like what's the point. The only time I will respond back is when she finally admits that the shit you were saying all along is true and she is no longer in denial and she has moved on in her life without the asshole!
Her responses to your emails clearly lets me know that she is in denial..... sometimes the truth hurts!
Should you respond? Hell no! You have to put yourself first in this and she sounds like a bit of a leech, TBH. You know, the kind of person who enjoys whining about her life and being rescued and pitied more than making sensible decisions and taking responsibility for her own actions. My two cents is: NO ONE needs someone like that in their life.
It's a trap! She probably misses whining about her life so she's testing to see if you'll take the bait. Don't contact her, as some of the above posts mentioned, until she admits that she was indeed repeatedly making bad choices and is done with J. Stay strong dear. You're emotional health is important too! :)
I guess I'll be the odd one. Maybe she has thought about what you said to her. Maybe she really does miss the friendship. It wasn't right how she responded to you but I understand. It can be hurtful when someone is holding a mirror up to your life and telling you all the bad choices you have made. I don't blame you for ending the friendship because it was effecting you. I would just respond back with "you are in my thoughts too".
wow...
i actually thought that first email was pretty self-explanatory so she should have understood what you were trying to say but i guess not lol. nope, i wouldn't respond unless i knew for a fact that she was starting to get her life back together.
Don't take the bait! I don’t know how you did it. I’m exhausted just reading these two posts.
I believe that she IS abusive to her children. Having children you can not afford IS abusive. It's neglect, really. They will never have the things they need because she will never be able to afford to give it to them. Allowing them to witness such madness is abusive. You do not have to physically put your hands on them to be abusive. She needs to realize this.
You are SO right when you say this is classic victim behavior. She probably feels/expresses that she is so loving and giving and she just can't understand why EVERYONE is out to do her wrong. Blah, blah, blah. Poor me (insert sobs here). However, I’m sure she always manages to put herself in situations where she can and will be treated poorly. She doesn’t want to accept that she has created her own misery, and she doesn’t like you reminding her of it. BTW, I love how she makes it seem like she took the “high road” by not listing your faults…like she is so much better than you. Get the fuck outta here! I guess you were supposed to feel bad for listing hers. Manipulation at its finest.
She will suck the life out of your soul if you continue on with her. I know...I’ve been there. She is probably in another mess with J and has no one else to turn to. If I guess correctly, you are (were) probably the last friend standing. She probably ran all of the others off long ago.
You know better than we do. Go with your gut. You’ve said that the friendship was one sided. Let her find another "victim" to whine to so they can suck the life out of each other. Learn from my mistake. You’ve done 8 years. That is cruel and unusual punishment. Hell, some criminals do less time than that! The only crime you commented was caring more for someone than she cares about herself. She will never see what you see. She is in extreme denial. She’s proud of herself?! For what? What has she done but make a miserable situation worse.
You were very compassionate and sincere, but she felt attacked and reacted as such. She is in the wrong frame of mind. You will not be of any help to her, just as you stated. She has zero self esteem. I cannot believe that she feels that she needs him so badly that she badgered him into marrying her AND purchased her own ring?! I’m willing to bet those children were no “accident” either. Sounds like a trap to me. Teenaged girls know how birth control works. Are we to believe that this grown woman does not?
Abandon ship while you still have the ability to swim. Otherwise when she goes under, she’ll pull you under too.
Looks like I hijacked your post, lol. I'm sorry this was so long but this is something I'm passionate about. Reading this make me so glad that I got rid of my toxic friendship.
Good luck.
Don't do it sweetie I agree with the other comments. Responding to her will just reopen the wound and she will go right back to dumping her problems on you. It's a time to focus on personal growth and health and letting her back in would just set you back Darlin. I love you!!
I'm with Chloe. Having kids you can't afford is abusive and neglectful. I don't even know these children but I would bet money their life is pure hell with a mom and dad like these two assholes. And for her to say she's "proud' of herself truly shows how out of touch with reality this girl is. Proud of what? Proud for having 3 kids that she can't afford? Proud of being abused all these years? Proud of having no self respect? She doesn't have a can of beans in the cabinet and a month later she thinks she can handle homeownership?
She is delusional! DON'T LET THIS LOON BACK INTO YOUR LIFE.
Damn you guys didn't hold shit back! :-) I LOVE IT.
Aww L-Boog, I love you too and I miss your presence in my life every day...my heterosexual life partner...
OK just to respond to some of the other comments, Chloe's thought about those kids not being accidents...YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY! The first one with the other baby daddy was "planned". The second one she claims was an accident along with the third one but seeing as though she had AMPLE TIME to terminate the pregnancies. I don't buy it. She wanted J to marry her, she wanted a "family" and I don't think she would admitted to me that she had those kids on purpose. And it's not like she's pro-life cause over the years she has had TWO ABORTIONS AND TWO MISCARRIAGES! I never told ya'll that! So any person at age 30 who has been pregnant a total of SEVEN TIMES, is NOT getting knocked up on accident!
Also I do sort of believe that something shitty is likely going on in her life and she needs someone to cry to. Hell if she didn't have her tubes tied after that last kid, I'd think she was probably PREGNANT AGAIN!
And as many of you assumed, it's true, she DOESN'T have deep friendships with other people. She has casual friendships and that's IT. NO ONE IS THERE FOR HER TO WHINE TO. Not even her family. People like her aren't capable of sustaining deep friendships so I am SURE I was all she had and now she's come up empty and wants me back.
Don't worry I'm not going.
But I have decided to take Southern Gal's advice and respond back with "you are in my thoughts too". Unfortunately for her, this doesn't mean I'll answer any emails or phone calls...but I will at least send a short text back to her...I feel better about doing that than ignoring her altogether.
Oh and Chloe...I would have LOVED to see her "list" of my faults and the things in my life SHE doesn't agree with. I don't have a perfect life but just to dissect it real quick, I'm childfree, self sufficient and independent for pretty much the last 10 years, at my job for 6 years, promoted 3 times, never shacked up with a loser ass man or taken abusive shit from ANYONE...I haven't made a mess of my life with horrible, permanently damaging decisions. Things could always be better, but I have my shit together for the most part.
So yeah, she didn't send the list, NOT because she was taking the high road, but because she couldn't think of a goddamn thing to put on it. She'd trade her life for mine in a NANOSECOND and there's no gettin around that fact.
Chick, I was going to agree with Southern Gal and I think you did the right thing by contacting her back. She actually sent you an email WITHOUT any drama in it. A "hey howarya" email isn't an emotional minefield.
I think you should reward good behavior and punish the bad with her. Respond to the emails that aren't a bunch of selfish drama, and ignore the ones that are.
You are not this woman's personal therapist. She needs a professional. Refer her.
I was in an abusive marriage (emotional, verbal, spiritual), and my BFF, who I met just as things were ending, never did understand me. It was enhausting to have to explain to her the dynamics of abuse and my thoughts and feelings in the situation. I always felt like I owed her an explanation for why I did the things I did. Things are not always as simple and easy to see from the inside as opposed to the outside where no emotions are involved. But you are right, your friend needs to leave, and you should stick to your guns on that.
But, take care of yourself first and don't get sucked into the mire of her emotional shame spiral.
Yeah you know, I did go ahead and respond back telling her she was in my thoughts and in return she sent "I hope all is well" which I didn't respond to because again, I don't want to be back in regular contact with her in any way, shape, or form. I responded to her original text and that's where I ended it.
I have to say that cutting her out of my life was a very positive move for me. I feel MUCH less stressed without her drama. Just knowing I'm not gonna come home from a shit-tastic day to listen to two hours of her horrible, miserable life, brings me such tranquility. I can come home from work and RELAX MY MIND. It's terrific to have that peace for once.
Oh and I DID recommend therapy and she went a few times but couldn't end up affording the meds they wanted to put her on so she just quit going...
Good for you for cutting her off. People always act like the victim but how much are you REALLY supposed to take. It gets tiring giving the same advice over and over again. She just wants to complain not change. But I really like what you said. I have a friend that I just distanced myself from too because her choices were upsetting me. Good for you.
Thank you. It has taken one hell of a load off my mind and I don't regret it!
Girlfriend, I had to cut an energy vampire out of my life months ago, too. You most definitely did the right thing! I'll e-mail you about that one...it's too long and drawn out. LOL :)
Oh, yeah, I wanted to also mention that, after I completely cut off former friend, she called my house a couple of months ago and left a message on my voicemail with the same bullshit as before. As others wrote above, that text message was simply to test the waters, to see if you would come running back into her life and be her sounding board all over again, as did my former vampirous friend. They always do when they have no one else to turn to.